>> i am running for president. >> i am ben carson, and i am a candidate for president of the united states. >> with all due respect to ben carson and carly fiorina, really, on the same day? >> oh, dear god. another one of these gimmicky cold opens. they are always ridiculous. ? ? >> on the show tonight, a bridge and a boy, but first, ben and a

carly -- two unconventional candidates with two unconventional announcements. carly fiorina announced hers with a web video and an appearance on "good morning america." than a a chat, whatever that is, and the later she did an , interview with katie couric. she did some tweeting but gave no formal, traditional campaign speech. dr. ben carson made music a big part of his announcement in his hometown of motown. ? ?

? >> ? from sea to shining sea ? >> i don't know about the rest of the campaign, but the musical director is awesome. after that concert, it was time to get down to business, not with the speech, but rather with a discussion/sermon. >> it is ordained that we are in the white house, i am telling you what we are going to change the government into something that looks more like a well-run business than a behemoth of inefficiency. there are people who say you can't do this, you don't have any experience. let me tell you something, i don't have a lot of experience busting budgets and doing the kinds of things that have gotten us into the trouble we are in now, but i do have a lot of experience in solving problems complex surgical problems that have never been done by anyone before. i can name a lot of people in

politics who have been there all their lives and you probably would not want them to polish your shoes. mark: john, we will talk a lot about him, but what are your takeaways about ben carson on day one? john: he is not an insider and it was not a speech, he's not a politician and he's not concerned about the fact that he doesn't have the normal kinds of experience you have stop -- you have. mark: i thought he did great today. he showed his inner peace, his inner strength, he was soft oaken but he moved the crowd. when you translate that to iowa and new hampshire and south carolina, he has become a force in republican politics and he has showed why. john: there's no doubt he has a group of people who really love him and that kind of performance will make them love him more. the question is whether that will transfer to the larger stage. trying to move people who have never heard of him before --

mark: i wonder if you will try to give a traditional speech? or if he would just do that. what he did not do today is send a message, i'm a first-year candidate. if you look at all the other announcements who came today -- all three of the senators, they sent a bigger message. this sends a strong message, but i don't think a bigger one. mark: carly fiorina made her announcement today. she made a robust statement, and aside the most robust statement she made was to george stephanopoulos this morning. carly: yes, i am running for president. i think i am the best person for the job because i understand how the economy works and how the world works. i understand bureaucracy, and that is what our government has become, a giant, bloated

bureaucracy. i understand technology, both to reimagine government and to reengage citizens in the process of government, and i understand decision-making, which is making a tough call with high stakes, for which you are going to be held accountable. i do not think you read about that. i think you learn about it i doing it. >> she gave us a buffet that rolled out over the course of the day. as you look out over the day what were your big takeaways? mark: she is all tell and no show. she did a press conference call this morning. i said what are you two or three ideas, nothing. it is amazing and woman this smart, with this much background, traveling the world, she could have come in with two or three ideas on the economy. nothing. she is in the mix.

john: i have to say just to strengthen your point, the economy has to be her calling card, and her argument is to run america inc., you need a real capitalists. she had time to do that but she trashed hillary clinton. we will talk about her more. she trashed hillary clinton today, and that seemed to be her main call. that is one thing she is doing. she is presenting herself as one of hillary clinton's most vocal opponents. mark: ok, a great reminder today that if hillary clinton is elected president, we can look forward to four more years of this. president clinton: we are going

to go as close as we can to following the rules she followed when being secretary of state. >> do you understand it that perception is a problem? president clinton: no. i am not responsible for anyone else's perception. tillery said no one is ever tried to influence me by helping you. no one has a shred of evidence to that effect. >> will you continue to give speeches? president clinton: yes. i have two pay our bills. mark: he also said they have never done anything knowingly inappropriate. what is behind bill clinton's today show performance from, of all places, tanzania. john: i just cannot help myself. in 2008, he gave a controversial

interview in africa, in the summer of 2008, when he trashed barack obama. he seems to let loose when he is on that continent, and all of these rings, you think that hillary clinton is tone deaf when she says we were dead broke when we came out of the white house. the gas bill, the electric bills. i have to give a happen million dollars speech. that is ridiculous. mark: this is going to give fire to those who are saying that he does not want her to be president and that he is going to sabotage her. as was said in 2008, he is rusty, and he thinks he can go out with cynthia mcfadden, who he knows four-year and he feels comfortable with, and say whatever he wants. he is still the best in the game. and i cannot understand the things he said, complaining about paying the bills is the last thing.

john: knowingly inappropriate. when he is on his game, he is the best in the business. he is over there. he is far away. he starts to free-form, and when he starts to free-form, he gets in trouble. mark: he has got the tanzania blues. mark: and two former top allies of chris christie pleaded not guilty to benghazi, and here is a question. will the governor himself eventually get a subpoena? this is what a lawyer said about that, followed by another himself doing his rest impression of new jersey's favorite son, billy joel. attorney: i'm going to subpoena anybody i feel necessary to establish my clients innocence. that can include anybody, and i want to know after we are found not guilty who gives her the apology. i am an innocent man.

and that is why i turned over thousands and thousands of pages of my own documents to both the prosecutors and the legislature and that is why i will testify on my own behalf as soon as the trial begins. john: the lawyer looks a lot like a young ed koch, but what are your remaining, on injured questions about bridgeghazi? mark: how could what babies ecb true? what about there not being any more indictments be true? and the plea deal, they can't all be true. it remains my strong belief that in the end, the circle of conspirators, as the plea deal suggests, is wider than those

three, and then we will know a lot more about what happened. john: my question is whether we were correctly reading the body language of bridget kelly, doing the interview, and him here. these are guys who are ready to flip. they are willing to tell their whole story. they do not care who they take down in the process, and if that is the case, on friday temporarily, this was better for chris christie. mark: the other big issue, beyond bridgegate what else is he going for it could have implications for governor christie? john: this is getting worse and worse for chris christie. and coming up what carly fear rina -- carly fiorina said about running for president. we will be right back. ♪

john: ben carson's performance, we will pick up the web gems, as they put on espn, talking about his upbringing. mr. carson: a tenement, boarded up windows and doors. murders. both of our older cousins, who we adored, were killed. i remember when our favorite drug dealer was killed. the rats and the roaches. you know, in the more upscale areas, they call them water bugs, but we knew what they were. but my mother was out working extraordinarily hard. two, sometimes three jobs at a time.

as a domestic, trying to stay off of welfare, and the reason for that issue notice that most of the people she saw go on welfare never came off of it and she didn't want to be dependent. she wanted us also to be independent, and she decided she would work as hard and as long as necessary, leaving at 5:00 in the morning and getting back after midnight doing day after day after day what other people did not want to do to try to entertain her independence. john: so, mark, this touches on his biography. it is an incredible story, his life story. unbeknownst to many in america this guy is a hero a lot with african americans. it is a great calling card for him. a lot of people are not as happy with him with him attacking president obama the way he does, but it is a great calling card.

mark: growing up poor and becoming one of the world's most accomplished surgeons, talking about this at the time his mother is quite ill, he has got a lot for a candidate. in terms of fundraising, standing up to tough questioning, we have seen on this program it, but his inner strength and his ability to convey to audiences a dignity and a certainty of principal and a faith, almost unmatched in the field and for a lot of republicans, a lot of conservatives, very powerful. john: the questions being asked about him now, about whether or not he lost his bearings talking of it being a psychopath, saying the affordable care act is akin to slavery, raising questions about messages, which you pointed out, but the core of this, his biographical message, is superpowerful. mark: our second clip, carson laying out his stance on social safety nets. mr. carson: there are many

people who are critical of me because they say carson wants to get rid of all of the safety nets and welfare programs, even though he must have benefited from them. this is a blatant lie. i have no desire to get rid of safety nets for people who need them. i have a strong desire to get rid of programs that create dependency in able-bodied people. we are not doing people a favor when we pat them on the head and say there, there, you poor little thing, we are to take care of all of your needs. you will not have to worry about anything. you know who else says stuff like that? socialists. and their programs always end up looking the same. they want to take care of people from cradle to grave but they

want to be involved in every aspect of your lives. and they want most of their earnings. but they say it will be a utopia, and nobody will have to worry. the problem is all of those societies end up looking the same, with a small group of elites at the top, controlling everything, a randomly diminishing middle class, and a vastly expanded -- expanded dependent class. that was not the intention for this country. mark: people love him, fox news loves him, television loves them. it is powerful. john: this is why he has been a darling of the tea party. it is also just ridiculous.

the sense that america is on the brink of being a socialist country, when there is no one advocating what he is saying they are advocating, it resonates very strongly with a certain part of the republican party. that is why no one in the establishment takes him serious as a potential nominee of the party. mark: he said he was going to look at the major economic policies, which i look forward to. zero specifics. with my report card. it is all rhetoric, but i will say again, for talk radio and for conservative audiences, it is powerful. john: and that is why he has got powerful numbers, especially when compared to somebody like carly fiorina. mr. carson: we have allowed the purveyors of this to become rampant in our society and to create friction and fear in our society.

people are afraid to stand up for what they believed and, because they do not want to be called a name. they do not want an irs audit. but for the people to come before us and what they were willing to do, so that we could be free, i will tell you something. they don't care if they don't believe what you believe. as long as you keep your mouth shut. that is what we have to do. we have to start opening our mouths for the principles of america. and i have to tell you something. i am not politically correct, and i am probably never -- i am probally never going to be politically correct because i am not a politician. i don't want to be a politician.

john: that is just music to the ears of fox news and conservative talk radio. a victimize kind of our free speech. mark: i think his ability to get towards the first year will rise and fall with scrutiny, but in terms of performance and message, very strong, about as strong as i have seen him, and he is a strong performer. john: coming up, carly fiorina. yahoo. coming up. ♪

john: part four of five was an interview on yahoo! with carly fiorina. and her answers were not always that specific, but listen to why she thought she was a good candidate. ms. fiorina: i know world leaders.

i have done business with these people. i have not had photo ops. i have done business with them. i have also chaired the advisory board of the central intelligence agency. i have advised the secretary of state, the secretary of nsa, the secretary of homeland security. i have set as close as we are right now to benjamin netanyahu and vladimir putin and others. these are all literally people i have had conversations with about substantive issues business, charity, what they hope for or their country, so i actually think i have quite a bit of experience. mark: can she ride that? john: that is the nature of the relationship they had, but on the other hand, if you compare it to someone like scott walker she has, in that, a more substantial conversation with foreign leaders than they have so she can at least make that argument.

mark: and it is driven a lot by economics. there is an argument to be made there. she goes after hillary clinton for just having a resume but not any a kabul shoes, but when she is talking about foreign policy she is basically talking about her resume, she has met with. all right listen to this exchange, asking her about her chances of actually winning. >> many people do not believe you have a chance of securing the nomination. you are polling at around 1%. are you hoping that you could maybe a vice president? ms. fiorina: katie, would you ask a male candidate that question? katie: yes, i would. ms. fiorina: it does not bother me that a bunch of pundits are underestimating me now. the encouragement i get, those

are the people i am listening to. i think people are looking for somebody who understands how the economy actually works instead of just talking about it, who understands how the world works and who is in it, instead of just lying around it, who understands bureaucracies and how they work, because we have a giant, bloated bureaucracy and washington, d.c., understands technology. >> i think she will have more success in this contest than a lot of the men that are currently better known. >> she has an advantage that she is the only woman in the field. she tried to do it with katie couric right there. >> all right, when we come back why this kid shows up everywhere, after this.

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